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Watching strong players use G. He's too pretty good. In fact, both he and Sagat seem strong. G seems to be another high execution character. Heck Sagat is too a degree as well. I was watching a lot good players struggle both their trials on Twitch.

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So thoughts on the new characters? G seems like a unique edition ro the case. They're several call backs to Q but he's like a more refined version. Sagat is Sagat. Which, in a game as anti projectile zoning as SFV, is refreshing.

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3 hours ago, misterBee said:

The only new char that matters is Necro.  Where is Necro? 

Somewhere in the background of G's arcade mode ending pic? 

 

Also, I got to say that playing G is easily the most fun I've had in SFV so far. He is definitely going to be a character I'm sticking with for a while in this game.

 

... Actually, now that I think about it,  where is Makoto?

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7 hours ago, The_Weasel said:

Somewhere in the background of G's arcade mode ending pic? 

 

Also, I got to say that playing G is easily the most fun I've had in SFV so far. He is definitely going to be a character I'm sticking with for a while in this game.

 

... Actually, now that I think about it,  where is Makoto?

Glad you're enjoying G! He's a rad character.

 

Makoto is rumored every time the new seasons roll around. She's a very popular character so there is always the chance that she shows up. Good news is that Capcom learned from their silhouettes in S1/S2 and they just cold revealed everyone for S3, so we should know the S4 cast after the CPT finals. Keep an eye out for a scarf karate girl maybe showing up then.

 

:tldr: post about EVO starting now. @Darc_Requiem some light reading for you fam. 😉

 

Spoiler

 

This was my first time attending EVO after several years of watching it online. For anyone that can go and is a fighting game enthusiast, I highly, highly recommend it. Even cutting out all the eSports production shit that I could give or take, it is an amazing thing to be in a huge convention hall full of people who are all talking about, buying stuff for/from, cosplaying as characters from, and playing fighting games. It is almost worth the trip alone just to walk around and see all the stuff there and what people get into.

 

Pertho mentioned this at another point talking about EVO but I want to re-iterate it because it is interesting and especially relevant: while there is a lot of talk about the FGC, what you really have with the FGC are a bunch of smaller communities of folks playing similarly themed games that can sort of coalesce around that idea. EVO really highlights that because the way everything it set up really highlights how many communities come together to form “the FGC” as we know it. It’s not even a stew; more like a buffet or salad bar. No real point here, just something interesting to see (and also why I can imagine it can be a bitch pulling people together as a TO for smaller events).

 

The event itself was run decently well, so far as I could tell. More than enough space for the different pools of players to spread out so nothing felt cramped or like people were playing games right on top of each other which is fairly logistically impressive considering the fuckloads of people there at any given time. The facilities in the convention hall were fine – bathrooms were okay by those standards (though I never dared the stalls) and the concessions were at least in line with the regular Vegas resort shakedown prices – but the best thing is that you can easily just walk out of the convention center and walk like 5 mins around Mandalay Bay to find anything else you could want. And although they made people ditch non-water drinks they were carrying in, no one gave me static for my water bottle or checked my backpack so I started every day with a decent store of snacks and water.

 

Decent footwear is key. It is still a big ‘ol convention hall which means you’re just thudding around on a hard floor the whole day. Even with sitting down to play games you’re still going to be doing plenty of standing and walking so plan appropriately. Chairs seem to migrate as the day goes on and people want to crowd around certain pools matches so you may not always be able to find a place to chill. Though worse comes to worse you can just queue up for some random casual match just to sit long enough to get bodied.

 

Speaking of casuals, with this being my first tournament event I didn’t know what to expect for casuals. Turns out, it is exactly casual: people just post up where the fuck ever, how the fuck ever. Some use the BYOC area, some post up on the pools stations after the pools start winnowing down (though in a lot of cases it was the players that finished higher in the pools just sticking around and playing), and people hopping on any old monitor that was around (BenQ had demos of the head-to-head monitors up as an example and folks were on and off that all day). Now I know for next time. I am very minorly tempted to pick up a PS4 on the cheap at some point and load SF5 on it just so I can set up shop at the BYOC area but that is an extravagance I’ll probably have to do without (plus I’d hate to lug that and the Obsidian out to Vegas).

 

Sunday finals were cool. Was really easy to get in and out of the area; just had to keep getting the ticket scanned. So if you wanted to dip out between games, totally doable (and exactly what I did during Melee and DBFZ). I paid for a floor seat which I would do again despite the premium. It was nice to know I had the seat to come back to and I actually got super lucky: aside from the guy sitting in front of me being tall and animated, the seats around me were empty all day. Wouldn’t always get that lucky but great when it works out that way. I think it is most worth it if you want to watch enough of the games live (3/5, at least 2/5). Otherwise if you’re just there for one game it is probably more cost effective to get gen admission seating and snipe a good spot between game transitions.

 

As stated earlier, I failed at getting casual matches in so the only games I played all weekend were in the SF5 tournament. Even with so much of the weekend spent watching though, I feel like I learned a lot. Being able to watch so many people play (many of which are very good players) was very insightful and I had some legit lightbulb moments. Heavy caveat to this: SF5 is the first fighting game I’ve put real time into playing against other people, so a fair chunk of these things are probably rote to vets of previous games. But I wanted to share for anyone else that is likewise still learning how to get better at this game.

 

The first one was sort of a reinforcement of something I’ve been thinking for a little while: I’m too “by the numbers” in this game. Up until fairly recently I’ve been playing SF5 very “safe”: don’t press while negative, don’t press on wake up, don’t press after plus frames, don’t throw out negative moves that can be blocked (even unpunishable ones), only do tight frame traps, stuff like that. While a lot of those are good directives, if you always play by the numbers and by the book in this game I feel it is easy for your opponent to get a sense of your rhythm and tendencies. Calculated challenges are necessary to keep your opponent guessing. I started to realize this when I thought about how much better I felt playing UNIST: it is because I don’t know what is “right” or “wrong” in that game so I’m more willing to try shit out and see what works in each situation, as opposed to coming to a scenario with a pre-arranged idea of what I should or shouldn’t do. At least in this game I think you need to play “smart random” sometimes.

 

The second thing is that I came away feeling like I can get anywhere with enough practice and experience. That may not actually be true – at some point I’ll hit the limits of what my old man brain and hands can do – but watching the really good players impressed upon me how much that pays off. You saw it in the GF – Problem seemed to have more experience and research into the Bison vs. Akuma match up than Tokido did the opposite (and in fairness I think most players would) – but I also saw it during pools. It is one thing to watch someone playing really well on a stream; for whatever reason that skill was impressed upon me much more when I saw it in person. I guess it is more the reinforcement that these players aren’t grown in a vat and periodically set loose to ravage the competitive fighting game world. They’re guys and gals like the rest of us that have put in the time to be badasses. Except for CJ Truth. That guy is clearly a robot. Basically I need to keep at it, get games in, and keep practicing. Don’t get too down on myself for when things don’t go the way I’d like; so long as I’m learning and trying to work on good habits, even losses are good experience in the long run. I sort of knew that stuff already but it was impressed upon me how much of a long haul it is to get *really* good at this or any game. Gotta settle in for the grind, whether it is in training mode or in matches.

 

Overall I came away from the weekend feeling massively motivated to continue working at SF5 and UNIST. I haven’t magically developed more free time, unfortunately, but if I spend what time I have focusing on practicing smartly and I spend my match time learning, I think I’ll do just fine. Whatever that means in the end. Hopefully one of these years it means I can make it to day 2 of pools but however far I get in general it’ll be fun working to get there.

 

Last rah-rah bit: fighting games are great. Even though we are a bunch of disparate tribes under a really loose banner that common thread still unites a bunch of people in a cool way. Like I’m pretty sure one of the people I played knew just enough English to get matches rolling but we were able to play a set no problem and just from watching him play I learned stuff. Not a lot of hobbies have that feature and I think it is pretty cool that we can all be united by mashing buttons.

 

I also managed to fight off another round of character temptation with G and decided to stick with Laura for the foreseeable future. Although she has some issues to her I still really like the way she plays and more practically I think my bigger issues are fundamental things that shifting characters isn’t going to fix anyways, so I might as well stick with a character I enjoy and know while I work on that stuff. I do want to get back to work on a pocket Falke, both because I like the character and because then I’ll be primed to capitalize when S4 comes and buffs both those ladies up.

 

 

@misterBee I mentioned it briefly but all the above applies to UNIST as well. Gonna try to split my time and keep up with the anime. 👍 

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3 hours ago, Darc_Requiem said:

So am I the only one here that watches Bogus Journey's?

 

 

Is that the old apartment that Gootecks and Mike "Waxl" "SFV is like sucking dick for money" Ross used to shoot the Excellent Adventures series?

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1 hour ago, The_Weasel said:

Is that the old apartment that Gootecks and Mike "Waxl" "SFV is like sucking dick for money" Ross used to shoot the Excellent Adventures series?

No Ernesto lives in Texas. Gootecks lives in California.

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G and Sagat are the first characters that I think have come along that legit gave the game a shot in the arm. I think its a combination of Sagat being faithful to his archetype and being well executed in the context of SF5, and G having a design that really sticks to some people. 

 

Been playing and practicing and it seems to be paying off. Gonna keep at it and hopefully get some Ranked time this weekend just to see if I can start the climb up the Gold ranks. 

 

Also doubled down yesterday and also played some UNIST. That game continues to be great.

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G has turned out better than I even think Capcom hoped.  Sagat shows that they are actually willing to put a good motion fireball in SFV. I've seen good Sagat players going toe to toe with Guile. Sagat throws High Tiger Shots fast enough to stop the Sonic Cross 😀

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I posted this elsewhere, but I think I'm going to take a break from fighting games of all types for a while. Nothing I play seems fun to me anymore and my local scene is full of greedy, lazy a-holes that just make shit more toxic and drama-fueled than it has to be.

 

Also, my internet is trash and anything better costs more than probably anywhere else in 'Murrica because of telecom companies basically having a monopoly on territory rights, so... Yeah, $150 a month for internet I can actually get matches with y'all on in any game I play is out of the question unless I move out of my home state and go somewhere else... And that's not really an option either...

 

TL;DR I'm depressed, so I'm gonna play some other stuff in my backlog.

Edited by The_Weasel

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14 hours ago, The_Weasel said:

I posted this elsewhere, but I think I'm going to take a break from fighting games of all types for a while. Nothing I play seems fun to me anymore and my local scene is full of greedy, lazy a-holes that just make shit more toxic and drama-fueled than it has to be.

 

Also, my internet is trash and anything better costs more than probably anywhere else in 'Murrica because of telecom companies basically having a monopoly on territory rights, so... Yeah, $150 a month for internet I can actually get matches with y'all on in any game I play is out of the question unless I move out of my home state and go somewhere else... And that's not really an option either...

 

TL;DR I'm depressed, so I'm gonna play some other stuff in my backlog.

I hope you feel better man. Depression is no joke.

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On 8/17/2018 at 6:39 PM, The_Weasel said:

I posted this elsewhere, but I think I'm going to take a break from fighting games of all types for a while. Nothing I play seems fun to me anymore and my local scene is full of greedy, lazy a-holes that just make shit more toxic and drama-fueled than it has to be.

 

Also, my internet is trash and anything better costs more than probably anywhere else in 'Murrica because of telecom companies basically having a monopoly on territory rights, so... Yeah, $150 a month for internet I can actually get matches with y'all on in any game I play is out of the question unless I move out of my home state and go somewhere else... And that's not really an option either...

 

TL;DR I'm depressed, so I'm gonna play some other stuff in my backlog.

Man I'm really sorry to hear that.  The internet problem is really unfortunate -- if you ever find a suitable solution I'll play with you online any time! 😃

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